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[15:11]  Morrigan Polanski: Now please welcome Namro Orman, who coordinates electronic services of the Central Medical Library of the university Medical Center Groningen in RL.
[15:11]  Carolina Keats: Yay!!
[15:11]  Gentle Heron: Yeah Dutch Librarians!!!
[15:12]  Cary Flanagan claps
[15:12]  Perplexity Peccable: wOOt!
[15:12]  Morrigan Polanski: and will tell us about health blogging
[15:12]  Vera Zhaoying hup groningen
[15:12]  You: Hi there everyone, glad you are here in this numbers
[15:12]  Carolina Keats: (such lack of enthusiasm :)
[15:12]  : Hi, In real life I am a medical information specialist at a large Academic Medical Center in the Netherlands.
[15:12]  : In SL –as Namro Orman- I  am proud to work with Carolina Keats and Gentle Heron at HealthInfo Island on the projects about Consumer Health Info and Accessibility and Assistive Technology for Sl Residents.
[15:12]  Elspet Glasgow thunderous applause for Namro
[15:12]  Marissa Goodliffe  ♫♪♫♪  Applauds!  ♪♫♪♫
[15:12]  : My SL Medical Library is currently set be a kind of (limited)  showcase what can de done on the subject of INTERACTION,
[15:13]  :  VISIBILITY, FINDABILITY AND SEARCHABILITY
[15:13]  : Today I want to talk a little about these topics from to people engaged in health or medical related activities.
[15:13]  : That would be you all, right?
[15:13]  Elspet Glasgow: YES!!!
[15:13]  : I want to keep this practical and give you examples of tools that can be used within SL or outside  Sl to make stuff visible , to publish or find something or someone.
[15:13]  : Getting attention in SL and outside, is one of the major things we want to achieve.
[15:14]  : No matter what we do, if you are a Support Group, an Organization, a business, we want people to know what we do.
[15:14]  Drangea Lyndhurst is Online
[15:14]  : Now, pretty much everybody knows what to do on the Internet to get attention.
[15:14]  Soup Jonson is Offline
[15:14]  : You get yourself a website or a blog, dive into social networks like MySpace, Facebook, use discussion groups, and you try to keep up with all the news.
[15:14]  : You all search Google to find stuff you need, submit pictures to Flickr, movies to YouTube.
[15:14]  : In Second life, in a strange way, people do no think of these things to start with.
[15:14]  : Or they find it difficult to get to know how to do it.
[15:14]  : Let me try and describe a process.
[15:15]  : Let's say you have an place you want people to come to.
[15:15]  : By creating the place and land, possibly even a group these will become VISIBLE in Second Life.
[15:15]  : Events can be made visible as owner via Second Life website at the Community Menu.
[15:15]  : You also can create Classifieds via your own profile and have them re-newed every week.
[15:15]  : It will cost just a few L$, but all these things make you visible, findable and searchable. You will appear in the Search results of the SL SEARCH
[15:15]  : Not only in SL but also on the web.
[15:15]  : Appearing on the web, has major benefits, because not just people INSIDE SL will be able to bump into your place or event, but also people out there in the big Real World.
[15:15]  : For instance, did you know that THIS event did not turn up in the SL search in-world this morning, nor did it on the SL Website Event Search?
[15:16]  Gentle Heron: drat!!!
[15:16]  : But it did in this Search http://secondlife.com/app/search/search.php?cof=FORID%3A11&q=health+care+sl&s=All&sa=Search+The+SL
[15:16]  : You can find this RL SL Search that is actually using the Sl Search Engine at:
[15:16]  : http://islab.org/slsearch/
[15:16]  You: and some other places too
[15:16]  : I can talk for hours about this, but I will keep it to some tips and tools to have an easy start.
[15:16]  : 1. create an event and/or Classified for all things you do
[15:16]  : 2. Make pictures of your place and upload them to for instance Flickr.
[15:16]  : Make sure you add clear, identifiable TAGS, and use the same tags for pictures of the same event. Tel people that want to write about that stuff, to use these as well.
[15:16]  : Add a description to the pictures, because search engines will pick that up as well.
[15:17]  : 3. Include this link to those pictures in every message or notify you send out.
[15:17]  : 4. You could get yourself a BLOGHUD
[15:17]  : Making snapshots will be published directly to the web on the website www.bloghud.com. Like this:
[15:17]  : http://bloghud.com/id/18496/
[15:17]  : You will find posts from almost every speaker here today already.
[15:17]  : http://visit.bloghud.com/SlangLife/
[15:17]  : But also to a weblog/website of your choice, automagically….
[15:18]  You: i should start a business doing that ;-)
[15:18]  : People will know from that post who wrote it
[15:18]  Carolina Keats: yes!
[15:18]  Elspet Glasgow nods, agreeing
[15:18]  Inertial Voom: good Idea Namro
[15:18]  : Where it was
[15:18]  : What it is
[15:18]  : How to contact
[15:18]  : They can comment, and they can even see ALL PREVIOUS POST about that location or the author!
[15:18]  : http://my.bloghud.com/namroorman/
[15:18]  Inertial Voom: Lots of people need this info.
[15:18]  : In my experience people are much more interested, focused on posts, events and places when they can not just read about it. They want to SEE. That's what this virtual, graphical environment is all about. Then let's not forget to use the looks, because
[15:18]  : You could also use Snapshots from Snapzilla, or even better:
[15:19]  : both to get better coverage.
[15:19]  : 5. Try and use SLOOG.
[15:19]  : Sloog is a bookmarking service for Second Life residents.
[15:19]  : It allows users to save favourite places and avatars and search for them later, both in-world with a simple plug-in (HUD) or via web browser at www.sloog.org
[15:19]  : I am always looking for tools that can help residents to communicate, navigate or publish.
[15:19]  : Did you know you can IM people from outside SL?
[15:19]  Carolina Keats definitely saving text of this chat
[15:19]  : It can be useful when you can not get in SL for some reason. And when you KNOW that person is online in SL
[15:19]  : (which you can check at the Sl website (or via- the Facebook-plugin for SecondLife) and you need to get info to him.
[15:19]  Poppy Zabelin is saving this too
[15:20]  : For instance via http://www.zonkster.com
[15:20]  Rachelle Munro: Yes, definitely saving!
[15:20]  Inertial Voom saving it too, good stuff
[15:20]  : It must seem this has nothing to do with Health blogging, the listed subject....,
[15:20]  Perplexity Peccable is frantically copying and pasting righ tNOW
[15:20]  : but I am convinced that almost all available resources could benefit from even more "traffic", by using the tools available to "enrich" their content on the websites.
[15:20]  : By tagging and blogging in-world about health-related subjects and developments, like I do, and like Knoh Oh, who calls himself Second Life Healthcare Tourist ;-)
[15:20]  : One could say that I am a sort of a geek with some tools and trics.
[15:20]  : That might be true ..... ;-)
[15:20]  Carolina Keats: yep :)
[15:20]  : But I am always looking for developments, scripts, tools and gadgets that can be applied to interaction between web and SL, the exchange of information between SL residents, with a focus on medical information.
[15:20]  : To make it easier for people to find and get the information they are looking for.
[15:21]  : That´s what we are doing at healthInfo Island, enabling, enforceing people to find quality health information to be abled to make well informed health care decisions.
[15:21]  : But also to enlarge the awareness around accessibility and finds ways to help people with disabilities or chronic diseases.
[15:21]  : To help them finding the information, but also to make it easier for them to enter and benefit from virtual envonments like SL.
[15:21]  : I saw someone use a WII to control Sl
[15:21]  : and I heard another one talking to his computer and fly away ;-)
[15:21]  Carolina Keats raising eyebrows
[15:21]  Perplexity Peccable mutters holy cow!
[15:21]  : Now that are tools that can help a lot if people get in here!
[15:21]  Elspet Glasgow: O.O
[15:21]  : We should share our knowledge and your knowledge to make more people benefit from this experience in this very special virtual environment.
[15:21]  Vera Zhaoying hehe
[15:21]  : PLease hang around to hear the rest of the speakers,  and I hope you you will find time to listen to Carolina Keats and Gentle Heron about their work too!
[15:22]  : Thank you for being here.
[15:22]  Gentle Heron: Thanks Namro.
[15:22]  Vera Zhaoying clap
[15:22]  Inertial Voom: thank you Namro
[15:22]  Marissa Goodliffe  ♫♪♫♪  Applauds!  ♪♫♪♫
[15:22]  Yoghas Etchegaray: clap
[15:22]  Ricken Flow: Claps and feels exhausted
[15:22]  Carolina Keats: namro, I think we should get you to do a talk at healthinfo island, maybe a hands-on workshop
[15:22]  Ricken Flow: lol
[15:22]  Elspet Glasgow applauds loudly!!!
[15:22]  Rachelle Munro: thank you!
[15:22]  Gentle Heron: agreed Ricken
[15:22]  Morrigan Polanski: Thank you very much, Namro!
[15:22]  Elspet Glasgow: Yes, please do that!
[15:22]  You: Thanks again!
[15:22]  Vladimir Burdeyna applauds
[15:22]  Yoghas Etchegaray: Thanks
[15:22]  Gentle Heron: Namro will be a hard act to follow
[15:22]  Carolina Keats: eek
[15:22]  Puella Korda: great speak Namro
[15:23]  Perplexity Peccable: You're telling ME?
[15:23]  You: Glad I had my Chat feeder
[15:23]  Gentle Heron: YEAH LEXI!!!!!
[15:23]  Gentle Heron: we need a chat swallower Namro
[15:23]  Carolina Keats: :)
[15:23]  Morrigan Polanski: :)
[15:23]  Ricken Flow: :-)
[15:23]  Inertial Voom: shine Lexi
[15:23]  Perplexity Peccable: :)

[14:23]  Morrigan Polanski: the next guests today are Elspet Glasgow and Vladimir Burdeyna from Ann Myers Medical Center
[14:23]  Poppy Zabelin: Oh, hi Kyra!
[14:23]  Morrigan Polanski: AMMC trains RL med students, nursing students and psychology students here in Second Life.
[14:24]  Morrigan Polanski: They also run consultations with RL Physicians and Psychologists.
[14:25]  Morrigan Polanski: Welcome and please tell us more about the Medical Center
[14:25]  Vera Zhaoying :) clap clap
[14:25]  Vladimir Burdeyna: Thank you, Morrigan
[14:26]  Vladimir Burdeyna: First, Elspet and I are taking turns crashing, so this should be a nice long talk for you.
[14:26]  Gentle Heron: ha haha
[14:27]  Vladimir Burdeyna: Good afternoon, evening and morning to you all. I am a physician with the Ann Myers Medical Center (AMMC), in RL a Hematologist at John Hopkins School of Medicine and a Professor of Medicine.
[14:27]  Vladimir Burdeyna: I will be giving you a brief introduction to our project.
[14:27]  Vladimir Burdeyna: The founder and visionary of the project was DoctorAnn Buchanan, my esteemed colleague and friend.
[14:27]  Vladimir Burdeyna: Two years ago she came to SL with a vision of a medical training center where students from all over the world could come to hone their skills.
[14:28]  Vladimir Burdeyna: Ann was on staff as a Professor of Medicine and Researcher at Johns Hopkins, University of Maryland and the National Cancer Institute a branch of the National Institutes of Health.
[14:28]  Vladimir Burdeyna: She was a hematologist/oncologist, not only holding an M.D. but two Ph.D.s in Hematopathology and Immunology
[14:28]  Vladimir Burdeyna: The Ann Myers Medical Center was named for her mother.
[14:28]  Vladimir Burdeyna: Ann's Mom suffers from a rare form of brain tumor that wraps itself around and through the brain, as she says, like an octopus wrapping its tentacles around objects.
[14:28]  Vladimir Burdeyna: Her Mom has been through 6 neuro-surgeries on her brain, the implantation of a shunt to drain CNS fluid, and suffered a massive stroke after one of the surgeries.
[14:29]  Vladimir Burdeyna: Ann and her mother both are of genius level intelligence.
[14:29]  Vladimir Burdeyna: The stroke left her mother unable to do difficult math computations or even speak for a time, which was devastating to her, being a mathematical genius who came up with some very complex mathematical theorems in her younger years.
[14:29]  Vladimir Burdeyna: Ann's love for and devotion to her mother lead her to name the AMMC after her.
[14:29]  Vladimir Burdeyna: Ann's vision was in part to help students from around the world.
[14:29]  Vladimir Burdeyna: After hearing her students complain that they didn't have enough time to learn good histories and physicals and hearing their concerns about reading telemetry, cardiac monitors, etc., she began to develop a plan to allow students to freely learn on their own and to learn from specialists from all over the world.
[14:30]  Vladimir Burdeyna: he wanted to build an independent training center to not follow constraints of some mechanized form of learning by being connected to one specific institution.
[14:30]  Vladimir Burdeyna: Instead, she wanted to allow students to learn on their own terms and however they felt comfortable.
[14:30]  Vladimir Burdeyna: She envisioned a center that brought physicians, educators, nurses, medical students, nursing students, researchers together to collaborate and be able to teach and learn in a manner that best suited them.
[14:30]  Vladimir Burdeyna: Ann recognized that there are inaccessible areas in the world from which students, physicians, etc, can not travel to scientific conferences or larger centers of learning.
[14:30]  Vladimir Burdeyna: She reasoned that if a virtual center existed, conferences could be held virtually, allowing many more to participate in the research and learning process.
[14:31]  Vladimir Burdeyna: The AMMC was also a vision for her to teach students to learn actual empathy when dealing with patients. I
[14:31]  Vladimir Burdeyna: In her classes, Ann commonly tells her students that to place a hand onto a patient's shoulder or to truly take the time to listen can do more for them than any drug they can prescribe.
[14:31]  Vladimir Burdeyna: She feels it's important in learning to take proper history and physicals that the student learn to approach the patient in a caring manner and begin to implement learning skills. She trains her RL students these skills and had been working to show such skills to her SL students.
[14:31]  Vladimir Burdeyna: Ann invited specialists to become part of the AMMC, believing that students could learn and partake in their interest in a medical specialty straight from a person involved in that field.
[14:32]  Vladimir Burdeyna: Also, if students were unclear about which path to take in medicine, they could spend time talking to people in various fields in order to narrow their choices or find out more.
[14:32]  Puella Korda: please take a sit folks
[14:32]  Vladimir Burdeyna: But she created the AMMC not just for students, research collaborations and medical interactions, but for people to come who were concerned about real medical issues ..not medical roleplay..and to have assistance finding a physician or service in their area to assist them with a condition.
[14:32]  Vladimir Burdeyna: She also wanted them to be able to freely discuss a condition with a qualified physician to ease them, make recommendations or to better explain the disease process to them to give them a clearer idea, be better prepared and be a bigger participant in their own health matter.
[14:33]  Vladimir Burdeyna: Ann has herself assisted many people to find institutions and medical centers/physicians who took a particular insurance and found physicians who could meet their specialized needs.
[14:33]  Vladimir Burdeyna: On several occasions, Ann took the real life name, found the area where they lived and personally contacted a physician for them, when she felt the need required it. She would follow up with both physicians and patient to make sure everything was being done to best help the person.
[14:33]  Vladimir Burdeyna: She also wanted the center to become a place of research collaboration, not just collaboration about training.
[14:33]  Vladimir Burdeyna: Ann had suffered acute mylogenous leukemia and had a record 6 remissions and losing her son to aml. She has suffered with many serious health problems and felt for her patients from a place of knowing what they endured.
[14:34]  Vladimir Burdeyna: She spent the majority of her life doing research on leukemia, discovering several novel anti-tumor antibiotics within the Streptomycin daunomycin-production pathway.
[14:34]  Vladimir Burdeyna: She had hoped that researchers around the world would come to use a virtual arena to discuss new ideas, propose new trials and open the door for many researchers in the inaccessible areas of the world to bring their ideas to the table.
[14:34]  Vladimir Burdeyna: I have been pleased to be part of this project and to have Ann for a close friend. Shortly after I presented a case on Hairy Cell Leukemia through the AMMC, I heard from several students that they had learned more and gotten more out of the one lecture than most of their lectures in medical school.
[14:34]  Vladimir Burdeyna: Ann has been forced to leave SL due to life-threatening heart problems as a result of chemotherapy. But her dream lives on and I believe we can make the AMMC rise to all she had dreamed it to be.
[14:35]  Vladimir Burdeyna: And if she knew I was talking about ehr so much she would ring my neck
[14:35]  Gentle Heron: ha ha ha
[14:35]  Perplexity Peccable: :)

[14:36]  Elspet Glasgow: Erg, movement is hard for me so if I crash into someone, I apologize! Both Vlad and I seem to be having SL issues!
[14:36]  Elspet Glasgow: Thank you!
[14:36]  Yoghas Etchegaray: welcome Elspet
[14:36]  Inertial Voom: Welcome.
[14:36]  Elspet Glasgow: Thank you for having me. I'm honored to speak on behalf of AMMC physicians in SL.
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[14:36]  Vera Zhaoying :)
[14:36]  Spirit Starbrook: Yay Elspet
[14:36]  Anderson Urqhart is Offline
[14:36]  Elspet Glasgow: I'm an infectious disease specialist, M.D. Ph.D. in the Washington, DC area.
[14:37]  Elspet Glasgow: I first came to SL simply to relax. I joined various Scottish groups because I am from Scotland and all my family is there. I met DoctorAnn Buchanan in Scotland (SL Scotland).
[14:37]  Elspet Glasgow: I was taken by the name and, when I read her profile, I was intrigued.
[14:37]  Elspet Glasgow: I am an Assistant Professor of Medicine and wondered how someone could actually use SL to teach medical students. She and I became friends and it was some time before I asked to join the AMMC group.
[14:37]  Elspet Glasgow: It wasn't long before I saw the benefits of using SL to teach. I'm very impressed with the amount of student involvement and the excitement they seem to have for the project.
[14:38]  Elspet Glasgow: It's a wonderful experience, because we're all learning from one another and implementing a new mode of technology for teaching.
[14:38]  Elspet Glasgow: We use various techniques, including animations, observations, lectures and scenarios. We're working on equipment to allow the student to come into the center and interact on their own time and without supervision, such as with the Heart and Lung stools in our display.
[14:38]  Elspet Glasgow pints up in the air, not knowing where in the world the display is located
[14:38]  Elspet Glasgow: We are putting together more educational tools, such as cardiac monitors and XR machines that take a student to a web page, displaying a predetermined image for them.
[14:39]  Elspet Glasgow: Of course, the physicians, nurses and educators are available to answer questions. We usually have lectures where we all come together to observe presentations. Some of these lectures are given by students and some by the educators.
[14:39]  Elspet Glasgow: Our problem has been finding scripters, animators and builders who are dedicated, at least to stay on task . Most of us are trying to build things ourselves and find various individuals who will assist.
[14:39]  Elspet Glasgow: This is not about just training a student technically, although it incorporates that, it is training a student to be well-rounded.
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[14:39]  Elspet Glasgow: e want the students to understand an issue from a patients view.
[14:40]  Elspet Glasgow: Ann and I talked some time ago and I discovered that she often uses a technique of roleplay in RL: with her students.
[14:40]  Rosmairta Kilara is Online
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[14:40]  Elspet Glasgow: She will assign one student a disease and another student to be the physician. The student being the patient, must research that illness, disease process and all things associated, especially from a patients perspective. Often, she will ask them to talk with a real patient to find out what they are dealing with physically, mentally and emotionally.
[14:40]  Elspet Glasgow: She had the vision of implementing this same type of teaching here.
[14:41]  Elspet Glasgow: Ann has a lot of knowledge about fighting thru obstacles of health and battling death, so she wants her students to understand the entire process from a place of knowing what it feels to be a patient with a serious illness.
[14:41]  Elspet Glasgow: It's as important to know the patient's perspective as it is to know the mechanics of the disease process and underlying effects.
[14:41]  Elspet Glasgow: I have an example of one of the lectures I gave last week, but the slide presenter is HUGE, so I'm not sure i should pull it out
[14:41]  Perplexity Peccable: Can't rez things here - I tried
[14:42]  Elspet Glasgow: But, this is the jist of what we did...
[14:42]  Elspet Glasgow: We went thru the background and the students formulated ideas. Then we discussed various forms of treatment.
[14:42]  Elspet Glasgow: This was a Community Acquired MRSA lecture. MRSA is reaching epidemic proportions in both the US and UK. So the topic was both timely and important.
[14:42]  Elspet Glasgow: We also discussed the genetics of the bacteria that causes MRSA and the problem with current treatments, new treatment approaches proposed changes in classifications of the various forms and new things to talk with patients about to avoid infectious outbreaks.
[14:42]  Elspet Glasgow: As you can see, we have various methods to train students from all over the world.
[14:42]  Inertial Voom is Online
[14:43]  MB Chevalier is Offline
[14:43]  Elspet Glasgow: Also, we work with patients from all over the world. As our staff is based not in one center but world-wide, this affords us much flexibility to help people worldwide. I may not be able to find a suitable place in Spain for someone who needs assistance, but I can contact physicians in the AMMC to help them.
[14:43]  MB Chevalier is Online
[14:43]  Elspet Glasgow: I am excited about where the AMMC is going…we have been leading the medical education arena for two years.
[14:43]  The Sojourner is Online
[14:43]  Elspet Glasgow: Many of the Universities in SL have come to Ann first for advice and then set up their own training sim.
[14:44]  Elspet Glasgow: Thank you for having me and one of our students now will be talking to you about their experiences.
[14:44]  Morrigan Polanski: Thank you very much, Elspet!
[14:44]  Cary Flanagan: want to go first vera?
[14:44]  Perplexity Peccable: Cheers!
[14:44]  Elspet Glasgow: Thank you!
[14:44]  Vera Zhaoying okay i go :)
[14:44]  Ricken Flow: thank you
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[14:45]  Gentle Heron: yeah students!!!!
[14:45]  You: Wonderful work!

[14:45]  Vera Zhaoying excuse me all i have to move and type with one ar so it is a bit clumsy
[14:46]  Vera Zhaoying i am a dutch intern in rl and a AMMc intern in SL\
[14:47]  Vera Zhaoying joined SL a while ago, met Ann Buchnan a bit ater and never left AMMC
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[14:47]  Vera Zhaoying it is amazing how many questions one can have, when fresh starting any study or carreer!!
[14:47]  Vera Zhaoying more surprising, how patient, physians in AMMC are :)
[14:48]  Vladimir Burdeyna: lol
[14:48]  Vera Zhaoying it is unbelievable how much you learn by just asking, later came also classes, yes classes!!
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[14:48]  Vera Zhaoying hard to believe but yes some people go to school in their free time!! Even enjoy it
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[14:48]  Vera Zhaoying an example is the MRSA class just mentioned
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[14:49]  Vera Zhaoying but beside learning in AMMC i also grew not in height but in skills, i try to explain that
[14:50]  Vera Zhaoying after observing and some classes, i met my first patients.
[14:50]  Vera Zhaoying but during classe asking questions i picked up a few things
[14:50]  Ivo Krupinski is Online
[14:51]  Vera Zhaoying -take time to really listen -really care for the patient
[14:51]  Sadie Pippita is Offline
[14:52]  Vera Zhaoying it is that emphatie where Dr Vladimir talked about and that were the principlas Ann wants to teach, at least some of them :)
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[14:53]  Vera Zhaoying so i met my first AMMC patients tried to listen take a history and tried to care
[14:53]  Vera Zhaoying believe me that is more difficult as it looks!!!
[14:53]  Sadie Pippita is Online
[14:53]  Vera Zhaoying one, i needed in the beginning (heu and still do) all my concentration to ask the "Patient"the right questions.
[14:53]  Jennyfer Voom is Online
[14:54]  Vera Zhaoying by being so concentrated, i forgot to care and listen.
[14:54]  Vera Zhaoying i tried to do both, but believe me it takes practice
[14:54]  Carolina Keats is Online
[14:54]  Vera Zhaoying first how to "interview"patients and then the listening and caring part!
[14:55]  Vera Zhaoying but practice makes perfect and lol i am no where near perfect, but i do think i have improved :)
[14:55]  Vera Zhaoying and what was best i could practice on patients in the virtual world of secondlife
[14:56]  Vera Zhaoying and that helped me now in first life, have since a week begun my internship in real life
[14:57]  Vera Zhaoying other thing i wanted to say and i keep that short
[14:57]  Brielle Coronet is Online
[14:57]  Vera Zhaoying the anonimity of second life, makes some people eeh ahum lesswonderfull
[14:58]  Vera Zhaoying meeting those people made me a bit stronger in both worlds :)
[14:58]  Vera Zhaoying i will stop here and give Cary the stage :)
[14:58]  Cary Flanagan: :)
[14:58]  Vera Zhaoying pff wpe sweat from foe head :)
[14:58]  Morrigan Polanski: thank you Vera